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CNBC transcript: Vice President Mike Pence speaks with CNBC’s Wilfred Frost on “Squawk on the Street” today about the coronavirus crisis

WHEN: Today, Friday, March 27, 2020

WHERE: CNBC’s “Squawk on the Street

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WILFRED FROST: Sara, thank you very much. A very good morning to you, Mr. Vice President, and thank you very much for joining us. I’m sorry I’m not there in person—

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Good morning, Wilf.

WILFRED FROST: --but we’re following social distancing rules.

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Thank you. Good to be with you.

WILFRED FROST: I want to kick off Mr. Vice President, with the call that the President had last night with President Xi of China. It seems from the President’s Tweets that it was positive and constructive, perhaps more so than people may have expected. And I wondered whether it’s possible that the tariffs on China could be lifted temporarily while all countries are working together to fight the virus and fight its economic effects.

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Well, as the President said publicly, Wilf, he had a lengthy and positive call with President Xi last night, and as was the focus about this time yesterday with G-20 leaders, President Trump is completely focused on confronting the coronavirus here in the United States. But we are working with China. We’re learning the lessons. I know they spoke at great length about China’s experience with the coronavirus, and we’re applying those lessons here. We’re listening to our top scientists and we’re analyzing the data, and we are now about almost to the end of our 15 days to slow the spread.

And these measures, in addition to the strong measures that governors have been taking with our full support in places like Washington State, California, and of course New York and now adding Louisiana and Michigan and elsewhere, we’re going to continue to lean into this. We’re going to continue to identify supplies around the country and around the world. And I know the President had a productive discussion with President Xi, as he said with 19 other world leaders yesterday.

WILFRED FROST: As you said, Mr. Vice president, nearing the end of that initial 15 days and the president said recently he’d like to see the economy opened up again, if possible, by Easter.

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Right.

WILFRED FROST: How likely is that and what conditions need to be met for that to happen?

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Well, the President expressed really an aspirational goal, Wilf, that as we continue to follow the data, as we continue to call on every American regardless of whether they’re in an area where there’s a significant outbreak of coronavirus, to put into practice the 15 days to slow the spread. And we’re incredibly inspired by the way the American people and businesses have been stepping forward to put these mitigation practices, social distancing into effect.

We think the more we do that, the more we can hasten the day that -- the President said he would love to see it around Easter, but whenever that day is that we can responsibly begin to open up portions of the country.

But let me be very clear, there’s going to be areas of the country where we need to continue to lean into mitigation efforts. And notably, it would be the Greater New York City area of course including New Jersey. We’re tracking New Orleans and Detroit. Of course, Seattle and California.

But there are areas of the country, as Dr. Deborah Birx said yesterday at our press briefing, where there’s frankly very little outbreak of coronavirus. And as the President told Governors in a letter yesterday, we’re going to be examining that data on a county-by-county basis. And in the days ahead, we’re going to be giving guidance specifically to different regions of the country about how, as the President says, we are going to be able to open the country and get people back to work just as soon as we responsibly can.

WILFRED FROST: Mr. Vice President how closely is the White House watching the stock market, and you were on a call with some high-profile investors like Dan Loeb, Paul Tudor Jones, Stephen Schwarzman earlier this week. What were some of their best suggestions to the administration?

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Well, we did have a good call with leaders in the financial industry. But Wilf, we’ve also convened at the White House at the president’s direction, leaders in health insurance, in nursing homes, manufacturers, educators. You know, this is a president who really leads by asking questions. From early in the outbreak of the coronavirus, he’s been pulling together not just the best minds on our team and not just a full partnership with governors who are leading the efforts in their states.

But we’ve been drawing on what people are hearing and what their best counsel is. And while the stock market has ebbed and flowed, and even this week made dramatic moves, President Trump and our entire economic team believe all the fundamentals continue to be strong. And as we deal with the coronavirus, that this economy will come roaring back once we see our nation through this challenging time.

WILFRED FROST: Here in New York, Mr. Vice President, the numbers are clearly worrying. The government here describing it as American’s epicenter. He’s taken decisive lockdown measures to slow the spread for New Yorkers. But people are still traveling in and out of the state and indeed, all across the country. Why no nationwide lockdown?

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Well, it’s -- you’re absolutely right. And Governor Cuomo, who the President and I speak to very frequently, was right. The epicenter of the coronavirus virus in the United States today is not just New York State but the Greater New York City area. More than half the cases in the country today have come out of that region. It’s the reason why we’re building field hospitals. It’s the reason why that U.S. Navy Ship Comfort will be headed out tomorrow to the New York area. We have got a FEMA team on the ground with HHS assisting in the response. And we’ll continue to flow resources.

But last night CDC posted guidance, while we were telling people that residents who may have left the New York area to go to other parts of the country, that we want them to monitor their health, monitor their temperature, and self-quarantine for two weeks. Last night’s CDC published guidance for critical infrastructure, truckers and others that are moving in and out of the New York area about how to do so in a way that will protect their health and prevent the spread. We really do believe that the best broad-based guidance today, Wilf, is the 15 days to slow the spread. This is what every American can do, and tens of millions of Americans are doing, with social distancing. Working from home where you can. Avoiding unnecessary travel and the like.

But supporting governors like the Governor of New York, the Governor of Washington State, of California, New Jersey and elsewhere and the strong measures they’re taking will continue to be the approach. The president, when he stood up FEMA in the lead and declared a national emergency, he made it very clear. We recognize that in a health crisis, and this is something I learned when I was Governor of Indiana, in a health crisis it’s your local health officials and health care workers on the front lines. They are executing the response. It’s state-managed and it’s federally supported.

And we hope before the end of business today, the House of Representatives will vote to pass the Care Act and speed vital resources to families, direct payments to families, payroll support for small businesses, significant lending facility to be made available to our critical industries, and really make it possible for the American people to be confident that this too shall pass. We will use the full power of the American economy, the full weight of our government at every level and we’ll see America through the coronavirus.

WILFRED FROST: Mr. Vice President, last night Dr. Scott Gottlieb, of course, your Former FDA Commissioner said, quote, I’m worried about emerging situations in New Orleans, Dallas, Atlanta, Miami, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, among others. In China no province outside Hubei ever had more than 1500 cases. In United States 11 states already have that total. Our epidemic is likely to be national in scope, end quote. Is Dr. Gottlieb wrong?

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Well, great respect for Dr. Scott Gottlieb. He served our administration well, and he’s a great friend. He’s been advising the White House Coronavirus Task Force. But to his point, we’re tracking exactly those same numbers. And we’re able to do so because, now more than a month ago, the President brought together the top commercial labs in America: Quest, Lab Core and others working with companies like Roche and others. And as of yesterday, we had actually done more than a half a million tests around the country. We’re working right now on a point of care test that can be administered even at your doctor’s office.

By rapidly expanding testing that’s happening all over the country today. And getting that data back, as we are on an increasing basis from hospitals and labs around the country, we have much greater visibility on where the hot spots are. And our team, whether it be Dr. Anthony Fauci or Dr. Birx or others, are going to bring the President recommendations about where we need to focus our mitigation efforts, where we need to be supporting efforts at containing the spread of the virus. But the encouraging news that we see is that because so many people across this country have embraced the President’s 15 days to slow the spread, because so many have heeded the guidance of state and local authorities, we really do believe that in the days ahead, we will see that we did significantly impact spread of the coronavirus and ultimately save lives.

You know, and it’s important always to say that we’re tracking the numbers in terms of consequences. You know, most Americans that contract the coronavirus, Wilf, will have very mild symptoms or flu-like symptoms. And while we grieve the loss of every American who has succumbed to the coronavirus, our hearts go out to their families, the mortality rate still is running somewhere around 1% in the country. It’s to say most people that contract this disease will recover, and so we’re going to lean into this effort. We’re going to focus on those most vulnerable. And we’re going to focus on the areas most at the point in the need. We’re going to surge testing and supplies and resources and mitigation.

WILFRED FROST: Mr. Vice President, one more very quick one on this topic from me and then Jim Cramer has a question for you. You mentioned the governor’s taking decisive action and of course, that you were a Governor yourself. If we do see a big spike in cases like in New York State in another state in the weeks ahead, whose responsibility will that be? The governor of that state or the Federal government?

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Well, I think it’s a responsibility of all of us at every level to bring our very best science, our very best recommendations, our very best counsel to the American people, and to American businesses. And you know, it’s been a little more than a month since I was tapped to lead the coronavirus task force, Wilf.

And if I have to tell you, if every American could see what I’ve seen in terms of the selfless dedication of our health care workers and communities that have been deeply impacted by the coronavirus, if they could see the incredible partnership that President Trump has forged with governors in every state and territory in this country, if they could see the dedication of all the incredible professionals working in every federal agency from FDA to HHS to CDC and of course the 20,000 strong people at FEMA, they’d be as inspired and as grateful as I’ve been, and they could be confident that we’re going to continue as President Trump often says to do whatever it takes.

Congress will act today on the third different piece of legislation the President has called for, building on the progress we’ve made before. We want American families to know we’re going to see you through this crisis. We’re going to see our businesses large and small through the coronavirus, and I truly do believe that the more the American people act on the guidance of their state and local authorities, take it seriously, and the more that every American acts on 15 days to slow the spread, we’ll do just that. We’ll significantly reduce the impact of the coronavirus in our country. We’ll protect our most vulnerable and we’ll heal our land.

JIM CRAMER: Mr. Vice President, Jim Cramer. Thank you for coming on CNBC.

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Hi, Jim.

JIM CRAMER: I am as someone who is trying to practice all the things we’re doing and I love slow the spread and believe in everything you’re doing, I do get confused. I listen to Dr. Fauci. Sometimes he makes me feel a little nervous. He’s such a hero. We know what he did for 30 years – every President. I listen to the President. I so much want to get back to work. People want to get back to work. This weekend I’m in the New Jersey area and I’m reading the New Jersey health commissioner goes, I’m definitely going to get it. We all are. Mr. Vice President, I don’t want to get it. Are we all going to get it?

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Jim, it’s one of the things we’re tracking. And Dr. Birx last night at the White House briefing spoke to just this. There’s been a lot of what they call modelling in the science of infectious diseases that’s been done that is now being understood to have been really wrong. And what I’m pleased about is whether it’s Dr. Fauci or Dr. Birx, who is probably one of the leading experts in infectious disease in the world, is that we’re really following the data here.

And in terms of the infection rate that we’ve seen, what we know of China, the data from South Korea, from Italy, from other places around the world, I would just -- I would just commend your viewers to take a look at what’s being published and being written in recent days about that. It’s been a lot of people that have been restating it.

Our team from the very beginning has been questioning the modelling, saying we’re going to follow the data. The truth of the matter is though it does appear to be significantly lower than a lot of the earlier projections were Jim.

But that being said, every American should do exactly what you’re doing. And that is put into practice the social distancing. You know, use a drive through at your local restaurant for the time being instead of going in. Avoid nonessential travel. All the kinds of things that in personal hygiene that are keeping us safe. Because as I said to Wilf a moment ago, you know, the risk of serious illness to the average American even if you get it is very low. But the risk of seniors with serious underlying health conditions or everyone be immunity deficiency, is sufficient. That’s why every one of us needs to do our part to slow the spread and protect our most vulnerable.

DAVID FABER: Mr. Vice President, It’s David Faber. You’ve noted that fatality rate, roughly 1%. Good morning. Which is obviously scary but not as scary as some might have thought. But that depends on getting supplies to our hospitals in need, what they need. I think the hospitalization rate in the New York area is something about 15% and other areas as well. If they don’t have the ventilators and they don’t have the equipment they need, that fatality rate could rise. Are you confident at this point in the crisis that we’ll be able to provide the needed ventilators and other equipment to our people on the front lines so they can keep those people who go to the hospital alive?

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: David, I want all of your viewers, particularly those amazing health care workers in places like Seattle, the Greater New York City area, California, and other metropolitan areas being impacted to know that we are leaning in to the effort of personal protective equipment. The President recounted the millions of M-95 masks and supplies that we’ve already shipped out.

We are in the process. We are in the process -- we just distributed to New York some 4,000 ventilators. But one of the exciting things is and this is where I want to thank American Society of Anesthesiologists. In one of the meetings I was telling Wilf about all the different groups the President has convened, we actually learned from anesthesiologists the device they use in outpatient care for doing their work can easily be converted to a ventilator for someone struggling with a respiratory illness.

The FDA rapidly issued guidance for that last weekend. The American Society, Dr. Mary Peterson and others, are hosting a webinar today to explain to health care workers how they can change one vent. And it literally will increase the supply of ventilators by tens of thousands across the country.

That and the manufacturers that we’re working with today to add supply, we -- we are absolutely determined to use the full weight, contracting authority of the government, full support of all of our states, to make sure our health care workers have the protective equipment to be safe. We’re requiring it every day. And also, the ventilators to take care of patients that are truly struggling. I want to say one other thing about masks.

You know, it was the President’s insistence on extending liability protection to industrial masks that are made by companies like 3M and Honeywell, that in the last bill that passed that vastly increased the availability of masks that will protect our health care workers from respiratory illness. And let me, David, if I may, call every business in America. Go back to your warehouse. If you have masks you can spare, load them in a truck, call your health officials, call FEMA, or even just as well drive them to your local hospital. You’ll do a great service to America.

WILFRED FROST: Mr. Vice President, I know we’re out of time, but one final question from me if I may. Which is, I’m sure you saw the news Prime Minister Johnson in the UK has contracted the virus. I wondered if there was a plan in place if the President contracted the virus. What would happen?

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Well, I would refer you to the White House physician that I know is always very attentive to the health of the President and the first family. But obviously we send our very best wishes to Prime Minister Boris Johnson. He is a great leader, the president admires him, we consider him a friend, and whether it’s the UK or the other countries in the world that are dealing with this, the President spoke on the G-20 call yesterday, we’re going to continue to focus on the health of America first. As America always does, we’re going to continue, continue to provide support and guidance to nations around the world. And I’m absolutely confident that the day will come that we will put this behind us. We have therapeutics being developed through a consortium of pharmaceutical companies that the president organized more than a month ago.

Those therapeutic medications may be available quite soon. You see the way the President made available medications like Chloroquine, that it’s a malaria drug, but FDA permitted off label use. We’re distributing that. And even doing a clinical test in New York, but it’s available for any American whose doctor prescribes it. Of course, in record time, we initiated initial trials on a vaccine which could be ready in as early as a year and a half or slightly less. We’re going to continue to lean into this effort. We’re going to bring American creativity.

I just know with the cooperation of the American people, and as we put the President’s 15 days to slow the spread into practice, with listening to your state and local authorities, taking to heart the guidance they’re giving to you and your family, with the incredible cooperation of American businesses, ingenuity and the prayers of millions, we’ll get through this. We will respond to the coronavirus the way the American people always do, with courage, and generosity, and we’ll heal our land.

WILFRED FROST: Mr. Vice President, thank you as ever for your time. We appreciate it. And stay healthy.

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Thank you all.

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Correcting the Washington Post’s 11 Charts That Are Supposed to Tell Us How the Economy Changed Since Covid

The Washington Post made some serious errors or omissions in its 11 charts that are supposed to tell us how Covid changed the economy. Wages Starting with…

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The Washington Post made some serious errors or omissions in its 11 charts that are supposed to tell us how Covid changed the economy.

Wages

Starting with its second chart, the article gives us an index of average weekly wages since 2019. The index shows a big jump in 2020, which then falls off in 2021 and 2022, before rising again in 2023.

It tells readers:

“Many Americans got large pay increases after the pandemic, when employers were having to one-up each other to find and keep workers. For a while, those wage gains were wiped out by decade-high inflation: Workers were getting larger paychecks, but it wasn’t enough to keep up with rising prices.”

That actually is not what its chart shows. The big rise in average weekly wages at the start of the pandemic was not the result of workers getting pay increases, it was the result of low-paid workers in sectors like hotels and restaurants losing their jobs.

The number of people employed in the low-paying leisure and hospitality sector fell by more than 8 million at the start of the pandemic. Even at the start of 2021 it was still down by over 4 million.

Laying off low-paid workers raises average wages in the same way that getting the short people to leave raises the average height of the people in the room. The Washington Post might try to tell us that the remaining people grew taller, but that is not what happened.

The other problem with this chart is that it is giving us weekly wages. The length of the average workweek jumped at the start of the pandemic as employers decided to work the workers they had longer hours rather than hire more workers. In January of 2021 the average workweek was 34.9 hours, compared to 34.4 hours in 2019 and 34.3 hours in February.

This increase in hours, by itself, would raise weekly pay by 2.0 percent. As hours returned to normal in 2022, this measure would misleadingly imply that wages were falling.

It is also worth noting that the fastest wage gains since the pandemic have been at the bottom end of the wage distribution and the Black/white wage gap has fallen to its lowest level on record.

Saving Rates

The third chart shows the saving rate since 2019. It shows a big spike at the start of the pandemic, as people stopped spending on things like restaurants and travel and they got pandemic checks from the government. It then falls sharply in 2022 and is lower in the most recent quarters than in 2019.

The piece tells readers:

“But as the world reopened — and people resumed spending on dining out, travel, concerts and other things that were previously off-limits — savings rates have leveled off. Americans are also increasingly dip into rainy-day funds to pay more for necessities, including groceries, housing, education and health care. In fact, Americans are now generally saving less of their incomes than they were before the pandemic.

This is an incomplete picture due to a somewhat technical issue. As I explained in a blogpost a few months ago, there is an unusually large gap between GDP as measured on the output side and GDP measured on the income side. In principle, these two numbers should be the same, but they never come out exactly equal.

In recent quarters, the gap has been 2.5 percent of GDP. This is extraordinarily large, but it also is unusual in that the output side is higher than the income side, the opposite of the standard pattern over the last quarter century.

It is standard for economists to assume that the true number for GDP is somewhere between the two measures. If we make that assumption about the data for 2023, it would imply that income is somewhat higher than the data now show and consumption somewhat lower.

In that story, as I showed in the blogpost, the saving rate for 2023 would be 6.8 percent of disposable income, roughly the same as the average for the three years before the pandemic. This would mean that people are not dipping into their rainy-day funds as the Post tells us. They are spending pretty much as they did before the pandemic.

 

Credit Card Debt

The next graph shows that credit card debt is rising again, after sinking in the pandemic. The piece tells readers:

“But now, debt loads are swinging higher again as families try to keep up with rising prices. Total household debt reached a record $17.5 trillion at the end of 2023, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. And, in a worrisome sign for the economy, delinquency rates on mortgages, car loans and credit cards are all rising, too.”

There are several points worth noting here. Credit card debt is rising, but measured relative to income it is still below where it was before the pandemic. It was 6.7 percent of disposable income at the end of 2019, compared to 6.5 percent at the end of last year.

The second point is that a major reason for the recent surge in credit card debt is that people are no longer refinancing mortgages. There was a massive surge in mortgage refinancing with the low interest rates in 2020-2021.

Many of the people who refinanced took additional money out, taking advantage of the increased equity in their home. This channel of credit was cut off when mortgage rates jumped in 2022 and virtually ended mortgage refinancing. This means that to a large extent the surge in credit card borrowing is simply a shift from mortgage debt to credit card debt.

The point about total household debt hitting a record can be said in most months. Except in the period immediately following the collapse of the housing bubble, total debt is almost always rising.

And the rise in delinquencies simply reflects the fact that they had been at very low levels in 2021 and 2022. For the most part, delinquency rates are just getting back to their pre-pandemic levels, which were historically low.  

 

Grocery Prices and Gas Prices

The next two charts show the patterns in grocery prices and gas prices since the pandemic. It would have been worth mentioning that every major economy in the world saw similar run-ups in prices in these two areas. In other words, there was nothing specific to U.S. policy that led to a surge in inflation here.

 

The Missing Charts

There are several areas where it would have been interesting to see charts which the Post did not include. It would have been useful to have a chart on job quitters, the number of people who voluntarily quit their jobs during the pandemic. In the tight labor markets of 2021 and 2022 the number of workers who left jobs they didn’t like soared to record levels, as shown below.

 

The vast majority of these workers took other jobs that they liked better. This likely explains another item that could appear as a graph, the record level of job satisfaction.

In a similar vein there has been an explosion in the number of people who work from home at least part-time. This has increased by more than 17 million during the pandemic. These workers are saving themselves thousands of dollars a year on commuting costs and related expenses, as well as hundreds of hours spent commuting.

Finally, there has been an explosion in the use of telemedicine since the pandemic. At the peak, nearly one in four visits with a health care professional was a remote consultation. This saved many people with serious health issues the time and inconvenience associated with a trip to a hospital or doctor’s office. The increased use of telemedicine is likely to be a lasting gain from the pandemic.

 

The World Has Changed

The pandemic will likely have a lasting impact on the economy and society. The Washington Post’s charts captured part of this story, but in some cases misrepr

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Women’s basketball is gaining ground, but is March Madness ready to rival the men’s game?

The hype around Caitlin Clark, NCAA Women’s Basketball is unprecedented — but can its March Madness finally rival the Men’s?

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In March 2021, the world was struggling to find its legs amid the ongoing Covid-19 pandemic. Sports leagues were trying their best to keep going.

It started with the NBA creating a bubble in Orlando in late 2020, playing a full postseason in the confines of Disney World in arenas that were converted into gyms devoid of fans. Other leagues eventually allowed for limited capacity seating in stadiums, including the NCAA for its Men’s and Women’s Basketball tournaments.

The two tournaments were confined to two cities that year — instead of games normally played in different regions around the country: Indianapolis for the men and San Antonio for the women.

But a glaring difference between the men’s and women’s facilities was exposed by Oregon’s Sedona Prince on social media. The workout and practice area for the men was significantly larger than the women, whose weight room was just a single stack of dumbbells.

The video drew significant attention to the equity gaps between the Men’s and Women’s divisions, leading to a 114-page report by a civil rights law firm that detailed the inequities between the two and suggested ways to improve the NCAA’s efforts for the Women’s side. One of these suggestions was simply to give the Women’s Tournament the same March Madness moniker as the men, which it finally got in 2022.

But underneath the surface of these institutional changes, women’s basketball’s single-biggest success driver was already emerging out of the shadows.

During the same COVID-marred season, a rookie from Iowa led the league in scoring with 26.6 points per game.

Her name: Caitlin Clark.

Caitlin Clark has scored the most points and made the most threes in college basketball.

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As it stands today, Clark is the leading scorer in the history of college basketball — Men’s or Women’s. Her jaw-dropping shooting ability has fueled record viewership and ticket sales for Women’s collegiate games, carrying momentum to the March Madness tournament that has NBA legends like Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce more excited for the Women’s March Madness than the Men’s this year.

Related: Ticket prices for Caitlin Clark's final college home game are insanely high

But as the NCAA tries to bridge the opportunities given to the two sides, can the hype around Clark be enough for the Women’s March Madness to bring in the same fandom as the Men for the 2024 tournaments?

TheStreet spoke with Jon Lewis of Sports Media Watch, who has been following sports viewership trends for the last two decades; Melissa Isaacson, a veteran sports journalist and longtime advocate of women’s basketball; and Pete Giorgio, Deloitte’s leader for Global and US Sports to dissect the rise Caitlin Clark and women’s collegiate hoops ahead of March Madness.

“Nobody is moving the needle like Caitlin Clark,” Lewis told TheStreet. “Nobody else in sports, period, right now, is fueling record numbers on all these different networks, driving viewership beyond what the norm has been for 20 years."

The Caitlin Clark Effect is real — but there are other reasons for the success of women's basketball

The game in which Clark broke the all-time college scoring record against Ohio State on Sunday, Mar. 3 was seen by an average of 3.4 million viewers on Fox, marking the first time a women’s game broke the two million viewership barrier since 2010. Viewership for that game came in just behind the men’s game between Michigan State vs Arizona game on Thanksgiving, which Lewis said was driven by NFL viewership on the same day.

A week later, Iowa’s Big Ten Championship win over Nebraska breached the three million viewers mark as well, and the team has also seen viewership numbers crack over 1.5 million viewers multiple times throughout the regular season.

The success on television has also translated to higher ticket prices, as tickets to watch Clark at home and on the road have breached hundreds of dollars and drawn long lines outside stadiums. Isaacson, who is a professor at Northwestern, said she went to the game between the Hawkeyes and Northwestern Wildcats — which was the first sellout in school history for the team — and witnessed the effect of Clark in person.

“Standing in line interviewing people at the Northwestern game, seeing men who've never been to a women's game with their little girls watching and so excited, and seeing Caitlin and her engaging with little girls, it’s just been really fun,” Isaacson said.

But while Clark is certainly the biggest success driver, her game isn’t the only thing pulling up the women’s side. The three-point revolution, which started in the NBA with the introduction of deeper analytics as well as the rise of stars like Steph Curry, has been a positive for the Women’s game.

“They backed up to the three-point line and it’s opening up the game,” Isaacson said.

One of the major criticisms from a lot of women’s hoops detractors has been how the game does not compare in terms of quality to the men. However, shooting has become a great equalizer, displayed recently during the 2024 NBA All-Star Weekend last month when the WNBA’s Sabrina Ionescu nearly defeated Curry — who is widely considered the greatest shooter ever — in a three-point contest.

Clark has become the embodiment of the three-point revolution for the women. Her shooting displays have demanded the respect of anyone who has doubted women’s basketball in the past because being a man simply doesn’t grant someone the ability to shoot long-distance bombs the way she can.

Basketball pundit Bill Simmons admitted on a Feb. 28 episode of “The Bill Simmons Podcast” that he used to not want to watch women’s basketball because he didn’t enjoy watching the product, but finds himself following the women’s game this year more than the men’s side in large part due to Clark.

“I think she has the chance to be the most fun basketball player, male or female, when she gets to the pros,” Simmons said. “If she’s going to make the same 30-footers, routinely. It’s basically all the same Curry stuff just with a female … I would like watching her play in any format.”

But while Clark is driving up the numbers at the top, she’s not the only one carrying the greatness of the product. Lewis, Isaacson, Giorgio — and even Simmons, on his podcast — agreed that there are several other names and collegiate programs pulling in fans.

“It’s not just Iowa, it’s not just Caitlin Clark, it’s all of these teams,” Giorgio said. “Part of it is Angel Reese … coaches like Dawn Staley in South Carolina … You’ve got great stories left and right.”

LSU's Angel Reese (right) and her head coach Kim Mulkey are two of the biggest names in Women's college hoops. 

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The viewership showed that as well because the SEC Championship game between the LSU Tigers and University of South Carolina Gamecocks on Sunday, Mar. 10 averaged two million viewers.

Bridging the gap between the Men’s and Women’s March Madness viewership

The first reason women are catching up to the men is really star power. While the Women’s division has names like Clark and Reese, there just aren’t any names on the Men’s side this year that carry the same weight.

Garnett said on his show that he can’t name any men’s college basketball players, while on the women’s side, he could easily throw out the likes of Clark, Reese, UConn’s Paige Bueckers, and USC’s JuJu Watkins. Lewis felt the same.

“The stars in the men's game, with one and done, I genuinely couldn't give you a single name of a single men’s player,” Lewis said.

A major reason for this is that the Women’s side has the continuity that the Men’s side does not. The rules of the NBA allow for players to play just one year in college — or even play a year professionally elsewhere — before entering the draft, while the WNBA requires players to be 22-years-old during the year of the draft to be eligible.

“You know the stars in the women's game because they stay longer,” Lewis said. “[In the men’s game], the programs are the stars … In the women's game, it's a lot more like the NBA where the players are the stars.”

Parity is also a massive factor on both sides. The women’s game used to be dominated by a few schools like UConn and Notre Dame. Nowadays, between LSU, Iowa, University of South Carolina, Stanford, and UConn, there are a handful of schools that have a shot to win the entire tournament. While this is more exciting for fans, the talent in the women's game isn’t deep enough, so too many upsets are unlikely. Many of the biggest draws are still expected to make deep runs.

But on the men’s side, there is a bigger shot that the smaller programs make it to the end — which is what was seen last year. UConn eventually won the whole thing, but schools without as big of a national fanbase in San Diego State, Florida Atlantic University, and the University Miami rounded out the Final Four.

“People want to see one Cinderella,” Lewis said. “They don't want to see two and three, they want one team that isn't supposed to be there.”

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Social media might feel like it’s giving more traction to the Women’s game, but experts don’t necessarily expect that to show up in the viewership numbers just yet.

“There’s certainly a lot more buzz than there used to be,” Giorgio said. “It’s been growing every year for not just the past few years but for 10 years, but it’s hard to compare it versus Men’s.”

But the gap continues to get smaller and smaller between the two sides, and this year's tournament could bridge that gap even further.

One indicator is ticket prices. For the NCAA Tournament Final Four in April, “get-in” ticket prices are currently more expensive for the Women’s game than the Men’s game, according to TickPick. The ticketing site also projects that the Women’s Final Four and Championship game ticket prices will smash any previous records for the Women’s side should Clark and the Hawkeyes make a run to the end.

NCAA "get-in" price comparison.

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The caveat is that the Women’s Final Four is played in a stadium that has less than a third of the seating capacity of the Men’s Final Four. That’s why the average ticket prices are still more expensive for the men, although the gap is a lot smaller this year than in previous years.

The gap between the average ticket prices of the Final Four tournaments is getting smaller.

But that caveat pretty much sums up where the women’s game currently stands versus the men’s: There is still a significant gap between the distribution and availability of the former.

While Iowa’s regular season games have garnered millions of viewers, the majority of the most-viewed games are still Men’s contests.

To illustrate the gap between the men’s and women’s game — last year’s Women’s Championship game that saw the LSU Tigers defeat the Hawkeyes was a record-breaking one for the women, drawing an average of 9.9 million viewers, more than double the viewership from the previous year.

One of the main reasons for that increase, as Lewis pointed out, is that last year’s Championship game was on ABC, which was the first time since 1995 that the Women’s Championship game was on broadcast television. The 1995 contest between UConn and Tennessee drew 7.4 million viewers.

The Men’s Championship actually had a record low in viewership last year garnering only 14.7 million viewers, driven in-part due to a lack of hype surrounding the schools that made it to the Final Four and Championship game. Viewership for the Men’s title game has been trending down in recent years — partly due to the effect the pandemic had on collective sports viewership — but the Men’s side had been easily breaching 20 million viewers for the game as recently as 2017.

The 2023 Women's National Championship was the most-viewed game ever, while the Men's Championship was the division's least watched. 

Iowa's Big Ten Championship win on Sunday actually only averaged 6,000 fewer viewers than the iconic rivalry game between Duke and University of North Carolina Men’s Basketball the day prior. However, there is also the case that the Iowa game was played on broadcast TV (CBS) versus the Duke-UNC game airing on cable channel (ESPN).

So historical precedence makes it unlikely that we’ll see the women’s game match the men’s in terms of viewership as early as this year barring another massive viewership jump for the women and a lack of recovery for the Men’s side.

But ultimately, this shouldn’t be looked at as a down point for Women’s Basketball, according to Lewis. The Men’s side has built its viewership base for years, and the Women’s side is still growing. Even keeping pace with the Men’s viewership is already a great sign.

“The fact that these games have Caitlin Clark are even in the conversation with men's games, in terms of viewership is a huge deal,” Lewis said.

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One city held a mass passport-getting event

A New Orleans congressman organized a way for people to apply for their passports en masse.

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While the number of Americans who do not have a passport has dropped steadily from more than 80% in 1990 to just over 50% now, a lack of knowledge around passport requirements still keeps a significant portion of the population away from international travel.

Over the four years that passed since the start of covid-19, passport offices have also been dealing with significant backlog due to the high numbers of people who were looking to get a passport post-pandemic. 

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To deal with these concurrent issues, the U.S. State Department recently held a mass passport-getting event in the city of New Orleans. Called the "Passport Acceptance Event," the gathering was held at a local auditorium and invited residents of Louisiana’s 2nd Congressional District to complete a passport application on-site with the help of staff and government workers.

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'Come apply for your passport, no appointment is required'

"Hey #LA02," Rep. Troy A. Carter Sr. (D-LA), whose office co-hosted the event alongside the city of New Orleans, wrote to his followers on Instagram  (META) . "My office is providing passport services at our #PassportAcceptance event. Come apply for your passport, no appointment is required."

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The event was held on March 14 from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. While it was designed for those who are already eligible for U.S. citizenship rather than as a way to help non-citizens with immigration questions, it helped those completing the application for the first time fill out forms and make sure they have the photographs and identity documents they need. The passport offices in New Orleans where one would normally have to bring already-completed forms have also been dealing with lines and would require one to book spots weeks in advance.

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According to Carter Sr.'s communications team, those who submitted their passport application at the event also received expedited processing of two to three weeks (according to the State Department's website, times for regular processing are currently six to eight weeks).

While Carter Sr.'s office has not released the numbers of people who applied for a passport on March 14, photos from the event show that many took advantage of the opportunity to apply for a passport in a group setting and get expedited processing.

Every couple of months, a new ranking agency puts together a list of the most and least powerful passports in the world based on factors such as visa-free travel and opportunities for cross-border business.

In January, global citizenship and financial advisory firm Arton Capital identified United Arab Emirates as having the most powerful passport in 2024. While the United States topped the list of one such ranking in 2014, worsening relations with a number of countries as well as stricter immigration rules even as other countries have taken strides to create opportunities for investors and digital nomads caused the American passport to slip in recent years.

A UAE passport grants holders visa-free or visa-on-arrival access to 180 of the world’s 198 countries (this calculation includes disputed territories such as Kosovo and Western Sahara) while Americans currently have the same access to 151 countries.

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